The Fall of DomainPeople

Like many of you, I manage a few domains.  Mostly, these are on behalf of clients, and as such, great support and reliability are more important to me than rock-bottom prices.  I want to keep all my domains with the same registrar, under one account, and since many of my domains are .ca, this somewhat limits my choice in registrars.

Well, let me summarize this lengthy article with a few choice words of wisdom:

Never use DomainPeople for anything.  If you’re using them now, run away.

For years, I’ve used DomainPeople.  They have been around forever, they promise 24/7 tech support that’s easy to reach (no waiting on hold), and they offer a good selection of “value-added” services, such as DNS hosting, e-mail forwarding, and so on.  Their prices might not be the cheapest, but they’re not quite as astronomical as a couple others you probably know about.  And, keep in mind, this goes back a few years, to a time when GoDaddy wasn’t an option, Network Solutions didn’t do .ca domains (or perhaps was even more expensive than it is today), and generally, the world of domain registration was a very different place.

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By the time 2009 rolled around, DomainPeople’s site and control panel was looking a bit dated.  There had been essentially no change for years in either the function or the design of their services.  But that’s okay.  It all worked.  Sure, they weren’t the most dynamic and aggressively-growing company out there, but I didn’t want that.  I just wanted a good, stable registrar.  I didn’t mind putting up with a quirky interface from the 90’s so long as they delivered where it counts.  And for years, they did.  Mostly.  And when they didn’t, it was easy to reach them by phone and have everything sorted out.

Until everything changed.

The Full Story

Let’s do this chronologically.

January 11, 2010: The first sign of change arrives.  I receive an e-mail (well, five, actually… but DomainPeople has never been particularly organized when it comes to that sort of thing) describing some upcoming changes to their control panel.  Here’s essentially what they had to say:

  • Within two weeks, your account will be automatically upgraded.
  • You will gain access to new features.
  • Your username and password will not change.
  • An auto-renew feature has been added.  If you choose to keep a card on file with us, we’ll renew any domain automatically before it expires.
  • You will no longer be able to access the control panel on a per-domain basis using the domain’s password.  If you don’t want all your domains to be accessible by your master account password only, you must remove them from your master account within the next two days.

Okay, so fair enough.  New features are coming, and there’s nothing I need to do.  Wonderful!  Now, in the back of my mind, I was thinking “gee, it’s a good thing I don’t need to provide my clients with access to their domain control panel, because then I’d have only two days to set up new accounts for each and every domain, provide my clients with the new login information, and then lose the ability to manage the domains myself without keeping track of dozens of user accounts, hoping none of my clients changed their passwords”.  This should have set off a few alarms… I’m sure many of their customers were caught off-guard by this, and I doubt many of them actually responded to this in the two days DomainPeople gave.  But it didn’t affect me, there was nothing I needed to do, and I was looking forward to having a snazzy new interface with new features, so I didn’t much care.

Friday, January 15, 2010: I receive close to 10 e-mails from DomainPeople, all of which are notices of pending auto-renewals.  I also receive two notices of auto-renewal failures.  This is all a bit odd, but I figure that since I haven’t provided a credit card, this is just their auto-renewal system trying its best to do its thing.  It’s a bit odd that I was given no notice of pending auto-renewal for the two failed attemps, but that’s okay.  So far, none of this means anything; it’s just a bit of weird e-mail related to a feature I’m not using.

Saturday, January 16, 2010: I receive two notices of pending domain expiry.  This is weird… these are different domains.  I would have expected more auto-renewal notices.  So do domains renew automatically, or not?  Still, I put this down to glitches in the deployment of their new system.  Again, none of it affected me at the moment.

Sunday, January 17, 2010: Another five notices of auto-renewal failures.  This is getting a bit ridiculous.  By the way, at this time I was on a small island off the west coast, and due to a recent windstorm, had no power or Internet.  But this is all okay, because I don’t need to do anything.  I thought.

Monday, January 18, 2010: The calls start.  I’m not quite sure why so many of my clients have no e-mail or websites working at the moment, but my first thought is that it must be related to the power outage.  What weird, vital, forgotten thing do I have running through my workstation?  It’s tough to diagnose, of course, when all you have is a cell phone (thank God for Windows Mobile, and no, there is no iPhone App for that), but by that afternoon, I was eventually able to trace things back to a DNS issue.  Well, for the clients having trouble, I use DomainPeople for their DNS.  So, I call them.

They answer quickly.  This is a good sign.  I explain the problem, and they admit that yes, there was an issue transferring zone files to their new system, but there are technicians working on it right now, and the problem should be fixed in a couple hours.  So, I leave them to do their thing.  The notices of renewal failures and upcoming renewals continue.

Tuesday, January 19, 2010: Still no fix.  And still no power, unfortunately.  So, I call again.  I’m given pretty much the same story.  They’re aware of the issue, they’re working on it, and it should be fixed soon.  I’m also asked for a list of ‘high priority’ domains, which they promise to take care of right away.  After asking a few more questions, I find out that these issues would have started on Friday, and yes, many other customers are affected.  I’m a bit discouraged at this point… four days of downtime on a simple DNS server, and no estimated time of resolution?  This is not the DomainPeople I had grown to love and trust.  Still, shit happens, and it sounds like they’re doing everything they can to fix it, so I hang up feeling pretty lucky I’m not a DomainPeople admin today.

By the end of that day, I realize how much as gone wrong: no DNS for any of the domains they serve, no e-mail forwarding, nothing.  Web sites are down, e-mail is broken, and still, there’s no estimated time of resolution.

Wednesday, January 20, 2010: Still broken.  And another surprise: a bunch of my domains have auto-renewed!  How odd. I call tech support, and learn that there is a senior technician working on the issue, but this person will not accept my call or provide any further details to Tier 1 tech support.  No estimated time of resolution is available.  Apparently, I should just hang up, wait, and eventually, it will be fixed.

I inquire about the domain auto-renewals.  Well, it turns out that one of my clients had called DomainPeople directly, and was told the issue was caused by a domain name about to expire (this was entirely false), and if she didn’t renew the domain immediately, it would be gone forever.  In a panic, my client provided her credit card to renew the affected domain name.  Big mistake.  This didn’t fix the problem, of course, but it did allow the auto-renewal system to renew many domain names to her credit card.  The tech support representative was not sympathetic, but did suggest I call their billing department.

Billing agreed with my assessment, but didn’t see anything wrong.  I was told that the auto-renew process was explained in an e-mail, and that the system was working properly.  I should have turned off auto-renew if I didn’t want this to happen.  Well, here are the problems with that:

  • Notice of pending auto-renewals were first given only on Friday, the 15th.  This is, by the way, the same day everything went down and the first auto-renewal failure notices started to come in.  No credit card was on file at this time.
  • DomainPeople did not have authorization from me – the accountholder and domain registrant – to make changes to the billing configuration of my account.
  • DomainPeople did not have authorization from the cardholder to charge the credit card for the amounts or services billed.

Eventually, the billing representative was able to see this.  The new system, however, does not have the ability to remove a credit card that has been added, and the charges could not be removed, but only reversed and then applied to a different credit card.

So, at this point, DomainPeople has told my client the downtime was due to an expired domain (entirely untrue), has charged my client (without authorization) with the renewal of many other domains (none of which were immediately about to expire), and has still not fixed the technical issues.  No one is able to offer any additional help.

I then track down a manager at DomainPeople who listens patiently to my tale of woe, takes a bunch of information, and promises to have both the technical and billing issues resolved as soon as he can make it happen.  He promises to stay in touch with me, and tells me to expect a call from him the next morning.

Thursday, January 21, 2010: Still broken.  And no call from tech support or the manager I was working with.  I do, however, have a message from the billing department advising me that auto-renew has been turned off, they’re working on the refund, and I should call to provide a bit more information.  I do, and a told that they will be able to process the reversal in the next day or so.

However, the technical issues still exist.  And worse, the tech support department has no record of anything even being wrong.  Nobody is working on this.  The senior technician responsible for this problem is ‘not available’.  The manager I spoke with earlier is ‘not in today’.  And nobody knows anything.  I’m encouraged to open a ticket using their web site.

Again, I battle my way to a senior staff member who seems to be in a position to help things.  He is very friendly, understanding, and promises to get things resolved immediately.  He takes my contact information, a list of the domains in question, the support ticket numbers I have been provided, and other details.  He then tells me he will call back as soon as he’s able to get things resolved.

Friday, January 22, 2010: Still broken.  I’ve heard back from billing, and they are pleased to say they were able to reverse the charges.

But not a word from tech support or either of the higher level people I was working with.  I’m told to sit tight, that technicians are working on this, and I will be called.

Saturday, January 23, 2010: Still broken.  Still no word.  I’m out of town and unable to do much except for call to see what’s happening.  I don’t learn much.  This marks one week since my clients had working e-mail.  I do not look good to them.

Sunday, January 24, 2010: Still broken.  Still no word.  Another call, but no more answers.  Only empty promises.  Nobody I’ve spoken with earlier is around, and nobody else seems to be in a position to help.

Monday, January 25, 2010: Still broken.  Still no word.  Things are getting really critical at this point.  I’m starting to ask myself how I’ve let things go over a week.  I could have transferred the domain to a different registrar twice over by now, at least.

I call tech support.  No changes have been made.  They have no record of any word being done on this.  The tickets I provide have all been marked as resolved, one by the original senior-level technical working on my account.  This technician still refuses to speak with me directly, and does not return the messages I have left for him.  Neither of the two managers I spoke with are available, nor have they returned my calls.  I leave additional messages, explaining how I cannot wait any longer, and this issue, one way or another, must be resolved.  I am yet again promised immediate action.

I have also now come up with a strategy on moving away from DomainPeople.  It’s not pretty, or fast, but it will work.

Tuesday, January 26, 2010: Still broken.  Still no word.  At this point, I’m done with DomainPeople.  It’s been over 10 days since this problem arose, and I am no closer to fixing anything than when I started.  I’m going to reconfigure my DNS elsewhere and point my domains to these new nameservers.  I’ll also reconfigure e-mail forwarding, avoiding DomainPeople’s services and servers entirely.  This will all take time, of course, but a couple more days of downtime followed by a guaranteed resolution that I can control looks much better than anything DomainPeople could offer at this point.  There’s only one thing that could break this: in the unlikely event that someone at DomainPeople is still working on this, they might see the changes I make to my nameservers and undo them.

So, I call.  Nobody knows anything about my issues, and nobody cares.  All tickets are closed.  There is no one able to help.  Nothing.

I leave a message, stating that no one at DomainPeople must edit my nameservers, or do anything else with any of my domains, without first talking with me, directly, over the phone.  I’m assured this will be the case, but I don’t think the representative actually does anything.

I begin the process of rebuilding DNS records elsewhere.

Wednesday, January 27, 2010: Still broken.  Still no word.  Everything on my end is now set to go, though, and I’m just waiting for the nameserver changes to propagate.

Thursday, January 28, 2010:  All my domains are now working!  This is because I moved all services away from DomainPeople, though… still no word from them, of course.

The Aftermath

If I look back, here’s what I see: for many, many years, I have a great relationship with DomainPeople.  I pay them thousands of dollars, they provide me with everything I need to offer quick and reliable service to my clients.  And then one day, the world explodes.  With no useful warning whatsoever, they break half my domains, charge one of my clients’ credit cards with a long series of unauthorized charges, and offer no assistance whatsoever in fixing anything.  For over a week, they do nothing to fix the problems they have created.  They do not return calls.  Ultimately, I am held hostage by a company who doesn’t care and doesn’t respond, and I am left to my own devices to find a way to escape and restore service to my clients.

It’s important to realize that I was never rude or hostile with anyone at DomainPeople.  Every time I called, it was always easy to find someone to speak with.  When I spoke with managers, they were all very understanding and promised to do everything they could to resolve the matter.  And while all this sounds good, the fact remains: they didn’t fix what they broke.

Hosting domains and running DNS is not hard.  These are the fundamental parts of the Internet designed to withstand nuclear assault.  There’s just about nothing that needs to be done here.  And there’s absolutely no reason why this should have broken.  That it did, and for so long, is enough to stay away from DomainPeople alone.

But to have a large,  legitimate company (who charges premium rates for their services in exchange for promised reliability and support) completely ignore a customer like this and not work towards resolving these issues is entirely unacceptable.

So, everyone: be warned!  Go to great lengths to avoid DomainPeople, because you do not want to go through what I did to learn this.

And, of course, if anyone has a recommendation for a new registrar that does .CA domains, offers DNS hosting and e-mail forwarding, and actually helps out when there’s a problem, please leave a comment!

11 comments:

  1. Yeah, I'm done with these goofs, too. Any suggestions for someone who manages a whopping TWO domains, but doesn't like paying Webnames $50 a year?

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  2. ($50 / year / domain, that is -- $50 for two domains wouldn't be that bad. I mention webnames because they seem the most "established.")

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  3. troubles seems to be gone now. I have no troubles with domain people and things are very stable now. Since CIRA changed to EPP system everything seems good, but of course it is anybody's choice deciding which registrar meets their requirements.

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  4. I tried to telephone their office but all I get is people with European accents saying that I have to pay online through the internet. I don't have a credit card so for the past 5 years or so I have taken the bus downtown to their Vancouver office and paid by cheque. Their web site has a local telephone number but it routes to somewhere in Europe. As well, I discovered that a company called NetNation has exactly the same address. I think this is a HUGE SCAMOLA! I've been on the telephone for half an hour, being transferred from one person in Europe - that's what they say - to another and I doubt that I will ever be transferred to an actual human being in Vancouver, BC, where supposedly their office is. I will be reporting this SCAM to the CTRC and the government of Canada. Maybe Revenue Canada will also be interested. I agree with all of you 100%. Something is very fishy with DomainPeople. VERY fishy!

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  5. I finally got through to a human being who SAYS he is in Vancouver. He told me that I CAN go down to their Vancouver office, in person, and pay for my domain name renewal in person. Thank heavens. But it took half an hour of transferring and women with foreign accents who told me, no, I had to pay online until I got through to someone at their Vancouver office. Maybe they don't want to be bothered with people calling their Vancouver office, interrupting them at whatever they do, so they've outsourced to some foreign country in Europe.

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  6. They screww me to...stay away from those scum bags

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  7. Sounds about right. I tried to get my domain away from them, but they refused to actually help. The first year it happened, I had to pay $80 to get permission to get into the system and changed everything over to my new host/registrar (despite attempts to do it before it expired). At that point I thought I was done with Domainpeople forever.

    ...until a year later. My host couldn't do anything because Domainpeople STILL had my domain. Customer service claimed that they would need $150 from me to change over things to my new registrar because "I didn't make it clear TO THEM that I was trying to move the year before." I refused to give them a cent more and bought a new domain name, leaving the domain I had for almost a decade behind. Those jerks are STILL holding my old domain name hostage almost a year later.

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  9. I know I'm late to the discussion, unfortunately, But not much has changed after reading this. Be very careful giving this business your money. I am the registrant for a domain name held by DomainPeople. I was told by their salesperson that if I renewed the domain name before it went into a redemption period, that I would be able to take possession of it because I am legally the owner. However, come to find out, one of their "resellers" is the admin contact so they couldn't help me. That's fine, so I said just give me a refund on my credit card & I'll forget about it. They said NO REFUND. What? Yea, attempting to steal my money so now I am going to have to do a credit card dispute. What a crock, you can't deliver as promised, then give me a refund. Plus, their annual renewal is $24.95 for a domain. You can get it from other domain name providers for like $9.95. Avoid the hassle and additional expense, go somewhere else.

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  10. I have a client with these folks and they are holding the domain name hostage. Even if you break down and pay them, they just turn around and ask for more money. There should be some recourse against businesses like this. Short version: DO NOT WORK WITH THEM!

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